Comments on: Critiquing Copyright Canards — Part Five of Five http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/ Copyright Information Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:19:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: The Copyright Alliance Blog » Blog Archive » Bono on Theft http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-15109 The Copyright Alliance Blog » Blog Archive » Bono on Theft Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:19:58 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-15109 [...] really solve this problem. Law enforcement is absolutely appropriate in enforcing IP laws (see Canard #9) but I’m enough of a realist to know that the answer to massive home infringement lies more [...] [...] really solve this problem. Law enforcement is absolutely appropriate in enforcing IP laws (see Canard #9) but I’m enough of a realist to know that the answer to massive home infringement lies more [...]

]]> By: Don Rath Jr http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4479 Don Rath Jr Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:42:53 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4479 I was wondering just how many of the people who download, copy and distribute, illegally on any level, unlicensed copies of any copyrighted works would perform their work for their employer, [Company, Corporation or other Concern] for several weeks per year for nothing? Fact: Some people trade an hourly wage or salary for their lively-hood while others trade their Intellectual Property for theirs. I was wondering just how many of the people who download, copy and distribute, illegally on any level, unlicensed copies of any copyrighted works would perform their work for their employer, [Company, Corporation or other Concern] for several weeks per year for nothing?

Fact: Some people trade an hourly wage or salary for their lively-hood while others trade their Intellectual Property for theirs.

]]> By: Tim Reynolds http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4460 Tim Reynolds Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:02:55 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4460 Nice post. Thank you for the info. Keep it up. Nice post. Thank you for the info. Keep it up.

]]> By: Neal http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4437 Neal Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:55:01 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4437 Who is this guy robert? My guess he is a self involved music/film exec from LA or a copyright lawyer, who needs to sue customers to support his coke and hooker habit. Patrick - you're arguing in black and white, and that is exactly my problem with the whole theology (deliberate choice of words) of the copyright movement. There is some music that is simply not available due to being out of print and not licensed to Itunes. I do buy when I can, but believe it or not, there *is* stuff that is impossible to find. Who is this guy robert? My guess he is a self involved music/film exec from LA or a copyright lawyer, who needs to sue customers to support his coke and hooker habit.

Patrick - you’re arguing in black and white, and that is exactly my problem with the whole theology (deliberate choice of words) of the copyright movement.

There is some music that is simply not available due to being out of print and not licensed to Itunes.

I do buy when I can, but believe it or not, there *is* stuff that is impossible to find.

]]> By: John Gordon http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4426 John Gordon Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:46:00 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4426 Patrick, you decry a lack of nuance in debates over copyright policy, yet this entire series of posts - most of your output for that matter - assume that there's some meaningful contingent of people out there calling for the complete abolishment of copyright law. Don't bother to deny it - every one of your facile analogies to tangible property (steaks, etc) posits a choice between "stealing is illegal" and "stealing is not illegal." Of course, that's not the question we are confronted with in the real world. Even Richard Stallman has never called for a repeal of copyright law, at least publicly. The real debate is about details, like whether copyright damages should bear some real relationship to the actual harm that infringement causes to the rightsholder, and whether anti-circumvention law actually helps our economy. These are real issues with real consequences, and reducing them all to a battle between copyright and "anti-copyright" contributes nothing. The movie studios and record labels recognize that on their good days - that's why I'm surprised they continue to fund you. Patrick, you decry a lack of nuance in debates over copyright policy, yet this entire series of posts - most of your output for that matter - assume that there’s some meaningful contingent of people out there calling for the complete abolishment of copyright law. Don’t bother to deny it - every one of your facile analogies to tangible property (steaks, etc) posits a choice between “stealing is illegal” and “stealing is not illegal.” Of course, that’s not the question we are confronted with in the real world. Even Richard Stallman has never called for a repeal of copyright law, at least publicly. The real debate is about details, like whether copyright damages should bear some real relationship to the actual harm that infringement causes to the rightsholder, and whether anti-circumvention law actually helps our economy. These are real issues with real consequences, and reducing them all to a battle between copyright and “anti-copyright” contributes nothing. The movie studios and record labels recognize that on their good days - that’s why I’m surprised they continue to fund you.

]]> By: Patrick Ross http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4421 Patrick Ross Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:22:53 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4421 It really doesn't matter what one's taste in music is. What matters is that the creators of the musical work -- the songwriters and performing artists -- get paid if you obtain their work. They are providing you something of value to you or you would not download them. You should provide them something of value. There are millions of songs available on iTunes and other sites. If your taste truly is that eclectic that the work you seek is not on those services, you can still find ways to obtain that music legally. Every time you download a song without authorization you are depriving that artist you so appreciate any financial reward for their labor. It really doesn’t matter what one’s taste in music is. What matters is that the creators of the musical work — the songwriters and performing artists — get paid if you obtain their work. They are providing you something of value to you or you would not download them. You should provide them something of value. There are millions of songs available on iTunes and other sites. If your taste truly is that eclectic that the work you seek is not on those services, you can still find ways to obtain that music legally. Every time you download a song without authorization you are depriving that artist you so appreciate any financial reward for their labor.

]]> By: Maru http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4415 Maru Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:11:18 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4415 I agree with Neal. I would pay money to buy music at a store, if only the store carried something other than the current crap-flavor of the month that the big record labels in cahoots with the big radio corporations want to push onto consumers. I appreciate music too much to throw my money at popular bands. I appreciate odd, quirky, limited-release, foreign and unpopular music, and that music is the type of thing that physical stores near me don't offer for sale. Hence the internet as the ultimate music distribution medium. I will buy such songs if I find them offered for sale on iTunes or what-not. If they are not offered on iTunes, then I'm obviously not going to buy them, if you catch my drift. I agree with Neal. I would pay money to buy music at a store, if only the store carried something other than the current crap-flavor of the month that the big record labels in cahoots with the big radio corporations want to push onto consumers. I appreciate music too much to throw my money at popular bands. I appreciate odd, quirky, limited-release, foreign and unpopular music, and that music is the type of thing that physical stores near me don’t offer for sale. Hence the internet as the ultimate music distribution medium. I will buy such songs if I find them offered for sale on iTunes or what-not. If they are not offered on iTunes, then I’m obviously not going to buy them, if you catch my drift.

]]> By: robert http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4404 robert Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:15:12 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4404 Who is this numbskull named Neal? My guess is he is a self-involved 19 year old who believes it is his God-given right to own any music he pleases at any price he chooses to pay. And I'd bet my next quarterly royalty statement he has never written an original word in his life that anyone was ever willing to pay a dime for. May God save all creative people from the likes of Neal. Who is this numbskull named Neal? My guess is he is a self-involved 19 year old who believes it is his God-given right to own any music he pleases at any price he chooses to pay. And I’d bet my next quarterly royalty statement he has never written an original word in his life that anyone was ever willing to pay a dime for. May God save all creative people from the likes of Neal.

]]> By: Neal http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2008/12/critiquing-copyright-canards-part-five-of-five/#comment-4388 Neal Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:33:04 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=348#comment-4388 "If they did not intend to purchase the work, there is no reason for them to download the work." Lack of availability. There's been quite a few times there have been cds I couldn't find because they weren't carried in major chains like HMV or Tower (who were endlessly promoting the next crap Britney Spears or Spice Girls or whathaveyou) and was also unable to find the cd unavailable to purchase online. The *only* way I could find it was through torrents. And that's not my fault. “If they did not intend to purchase the work, there is no reason for them to download the work.”

Lack of availability.

There’s been quite a few times there have been cds I couldn’t find because they weren’t carried in major chains like HMV or Tower (who were endlessly promoting the next crap Britney Spears or Spice Girls or whathaveyou) and was also unable to find the cd unavailable to purchase online.

The *only* way I could find it was through torrents.

And that’s not my fault.

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