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	<title>Comments on: A File-Sharing Honor Code</title>
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		<title>By: rowena cherry</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-17454</link>
		<dc:creator>rowena cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal,
We should meet at dawn somewhere, and duel! Then one of us would get satisfaction.

If works were in the public domain, would the work have "COPYING IS ILLEGAL" printed prominently in the book?

What does "COPYING IS ILLEGAL" mean to you?

If you see a sign that says "(Doing this) IS ILLEGAL" do you do it, anyway? If your children see you ignoring "This is Illegal" signs, do you expect them to use their judgement when you tell them not to do something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal,<br />
We should meet at dawn somewhere, and duel! Then one of us would get satisfaction.</p>
<p>If works were in the public domain, would the work have &#8220;COPYING IS ILLEGAL&#8221; printed prominently in the book?</p>
<p>What does &#8220;COPYING IS ILLEGAL&#8221; mean to you?</p>
<p>If you see a sign that says &#8220;(Doing this) IS ILLEGAL&#8221; do you do it, anyway? If your children see you ignoring &#8220;This is Illegal&#8221; signs, do you expect them to use their judgement when you tell them not to do something?</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16995</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we should be suing *all* the teachers who use works that are in the public doman.

/sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we should be suing *all* the teachers who use works that are in the public doman.</p>
<p>/sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>By: rowena cherry</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16949</link>
		<dc:creator>rowena cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed that I'm behind the times. A music teacher was sued... and apparently it hasn't had any effect whatsoever.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/court-congress-cant-put-public-domain-back-into-copyright.ars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed that I&#8217;m behind the times. A music teacher was sued&#8230; and apparently it hasn&#8217;t had any effect whatsoever.</p>
<p><a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/court-congress-cant-put-public-domain-back-into-copyright.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/court-congress-cant-put-public-domain-back-into-copyright.ars</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danny Seals</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16867</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Seals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copyright law is suppose to protect anyone who writes music, books, plays, and or creates sound recordings. The copyright office has done away with the SR forms and changed them 
with another form. Online Piracy is running rampit and Major Label Artist taking music from
Mypsace, Twitter, Facebook, and all the rest of them.  The law is clear anyone cannot infringe
the rights of others for commerical gain, and if caught it carrys felony and or criminal charge.
The problem is the many cases are all settled before any punishment is rendered for the behavoir of the infringer, unless your in the sixth circuit located in nashville TN. Many of the
music cases should be sent their, because thats a music community who understands the 
power of copyright law and WIPO international laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright law is suppose to protect anyone who writes music, books, plays, and or creates sound recordings. The copyright office has done away with the SR forms and changed them<br />
with another form. Online Piracy is running rampit and Major Label Artist taking music from<br />
Mypsace, Twitter, Facebook, and all the rest of them.  The law is clear anyone cannot infringe<br />
the rights of others for commerical gain, and if caught it carrys felony and or criminal charge.<br />
The problem is the many cases are all settled before any punishment is rendered for the behavoir of the infringer, unless your in the sixth circuit located in nashville TN. Many of the<br />
music cases should be sent their, because thats a music community who understands the<br />
power of copyright law and WIPO international laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16839</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rowena, copyright law in its current state is not something guaranteed or permanent.  It is boosted in the public mind whenever that public sees it used in a good way - rationally as pertains to the situation in question.  Whenever it hurts - whenever it is irrationally used to harm - copyright law is damaged.  It is sane and reasonable supporters of copyright who wish to satisfy both creators and buyers alike who are its only hope.  

Keep pressing forward, and you'll end up leaving the teacher with no choice but using piracy or public domain / creative commons material simply because the copyrighted stuff is locked down so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowena, copyright law in its current state is not something guaranteed or permanent.  It is boosted in the public mind whenever that public sees it used in a good way - rationally as pertains to the situation in question.  Whenever it hurts - whenever it is irrationally used to harm - copyright law is damaged.  It is sane and reasonable supporters of copyright who wish to satisfy both creators and buyers alike who are its only hope.  </p>
<p>Keep pressing forward, and you&#8217;ll end up leaving the teacher with no choice but using piracy or public domain / creative commons material simply because the copyrighted stuff is locked down so far.</p>
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		<title>By: rowena cherry</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16726</link>
		<dc:creator>rowena cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal,

It depends what "the point" is. Also, it depends whether rational discussion of a problem is a dirty trick. In the case of Napster, children were sued, weren't they? There is a precedent.

Sometimes it is useful to play Devil's Advocate. I infer that you do so through the use of irony. 

My point is that children in America (and probably in Britain, too) are taught by their teachers' example that everyone steals, and there is nothing wrong with stealing (if your budget constraints mean that you cannot afford to waste money paying for paper products).

How does a society "unteach" something we've grown up with over the last 20 years?

Maybe there are so many bigger problems in the world that we want to turn a blind eye to stealing as long as we only steal from artists, models, entertainers, celebrities, actors, writers. 

Unfortunately, once people believe that they are entitled to take what they want, it's hard to turn back the clock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal,</p>
<p>It depends what &#8220;the point&#8221; is. Also, it depends whether rational discussion of a problem is a dirty trick. In the case of Napster, children were sued, weren&#8217;t they? There is a precedent.</p>
<p>Sometimes it is useful to play Devil&#8217;s Advocate. I infer that you do so through the use of irony. </p>
<p>My point is that children in America (and probably in Britain, too) are taught by their teachers&#8217; example that everyone steals, and there is nothing wrong with stealing (if your budget constraints mean that you cannot afford to waste money paying for paper products).</p>
<p>How does a society &#8220;unteach&#8221; something we&#8217;ve grown up with over the last 20 years?</p>
<p>Maybe there are so many bigger problems in the world that we want to turn a blind eye to stealing as long as we only steal from artists, models, entertainers, celebrities, actors, writers. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, once people believe that they are entitled to take what they want, it&#8217;s hard to turn back the clock.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16693</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe that you would even suggest such a thing, but I guess copyright enforcers will use any dirty tricks they can to get their "point" across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that you would even suggest such a thing, but I guess copyright enforcers will use any dirty tricks they can to get their &#8220;point&#8221; across.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowena Cherry</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16649</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowena Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very sorry to say something so provocative and mean, but perhaps the most efficient way to bring home that copyright infringement is illegal would be to bring a suit against a teacher or two.

Of course, the scapegoat should be a well-insured teacher, whose very well-known and well-endowed school stands fully behind its staff, and whose local education authority fully supports all its schools. Children should not suffer.

Children are taught in school from a very young age that copyright infringement is acceptable. 

My own child is to be in a school performance of an adaptation of a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta. At least the choir mistress (a lovely woman) bought a copy of the songbook for every child's folder, but --still-- the book says in large print COPYING IS ILLEGAL. Every child has a photocopied copy beside the bound, print copy, because one needs a copy in order to have ones lines highlighted. 

For all I know, there may be some fine print saying somewhere that one copy may be made of each songbook.

Even if this particular teacher, in this particular school isn't really breaking the law, because it makes sense to highlight a child's lines --doesn't it?-- the children see "COPYING IS ILLEGAL" and they see that "copying is illegal" doesn't mean anything.

For attitudes to change, children have to be "taught" that copying is illegal and those who copy can get into trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very sorry to say something so provocative and mean, but perhaps the most efficient way to bring home that copyright infringement is illegal would be to bring a suit against a teacher or two.</p>
<p>Of course, the scapegoat should be a well-insured teacher, whose very well-known and well-endowed school stands fully behind its staff, and whose local education authority fully supports all its schools. Children should not suffer.</p>
<p>Children are taught in school from a very young age that copyright infringement is acceptable. </p>
<p>My own child is to be in a school performance of an adaptation of a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta. At least the choir mistress (a lovely woman) bought a copy of the songbook for every child&#8217;s folder, but &#8211;still&#8211; the book says in large print COPYING IS ILLEGAL. Every child has a photocopied copy beside the bound, print copy, because one needs a copy in order to have ones lines highlighted. </p>
<p>For all I know, there may be some fine print saying somewhere that one copy may be made of each songbook.</p>
<p>Even if this particular teacher, in this particular school isn&#8217;t really breaking the law, because it makes sense to highlight a child&#8217;s lines &#8211;doesn&#8217;t it?&#8211; the children see &#8220;COPYING IS ILLEGAL&#8221; and they see that &#8220;copying is illegal&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean anything.</p>
<p>For attitudes to change, children have to be &#8220;taught&#8221; that copying is illegal and those who copy can get into trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowena Cherry</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16628</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowena Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought, with the ipod that any purchase carries with it the right to upload/backup a certain (small) number of copies, for personal use, so that any computer crash didn't erase your purchase.

I'm surprised that physically giving a loaded ipod (or computer) as a gift is considered infringement. One learns every day. I should think the musical artists would be absolutely delighted if Her Majesty's people would list what was on the ipod. Does Apple have a royal warrant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought, with the ipod that any purchase carries with it the right to upload/backup a certain (small) number of copies, for personal use, so that any computer crash didn&#8217;t erase your purchase.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised that physically giving a loaded ipod (or computer) as a gift is considered infringement. One learns every day. I should think the musical artists would be absolutely delighted if Her Majesty&#8217;s people would list what was on the ipod. Does Apple have a royal warrant?</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/04/a-file-sharing-honor-code/#comment-16484</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the Queen? Should she have to give her Ipod back? Technically what she did is infringement! (This is actually relevant)

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the Queen? Should she have to give her Ipod back? Technically what she did is infringement! (This is actually relevant)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england</a></p>
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