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		<title>By: Rowena Cherry</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/05/the-myths-of-marginal-cost-and-free-part-one/#comment-19592</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowena Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analogy, Patrick.

Which reminds me, United Airlines has applied for Federal permission to outsource piloting, and employ cheaper, less well-qualified, foreign pilots. A friend shared this with me:

&quot;Do you want the experience of military trained or airline trained experts, or some kid who chose between goat herding and airline flying (kid...take the goat herding!) from some third world nation that pays their pilots with grain and rice?  You don&#039;t see this happening?  The pilots of United, Aer Lingus, Continental and most other large U.S. airlines do.  This goes beyond union propaganda and labor issues.  It goes beyond party lines.  It goes into the category of AVIATION SAFETY.&quot;

To return to the movie/pilots analogy, maybe we need to get rid of all the expensive (good looking, uniquely talented) movie stars.  Perhaps all movies ought to be cartoons shot using computer animated &quot;Poser&quot; people.

Dave, I don&#039;t know what your idea of a marginal cost is. Some authors can write a pretty good book in a month, if they work all day every day at it (I can&#039;t). That&#039;s a lot of time and effort. To copyright a work costs around $40.  Editors, cover models, cover artists, copy editors, typesetters all need to be paid too. Also, distribution agents, also vendors.

I&#039;ve never yet seen a pirate torrent offering to share someone&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analogy, Patrick.</p>
<p>Which reminds me, United Airlines has applied for Federal permission to outsource piloting, and employ cheaper, less well-qualified, foreign pilots. A friend shared this with me:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you want the experience of military trained or airline trained experts, or some kid who chose between goat herding and airline flying (kid&#8230;take the goat herding!) from some third world nation that pays their pilots with grain and rice?  You don&#8217;t see this happening?  The pilots of United, Aer Lingus, Continental and most other large U.S. airlines do.  This goes beyond union propaganda and labor issues.  It goes beyond party lines.  It goes into the category of AVIATION SAFETY.&#8221;</p>
<p>To return to the movie/pilots analogy, maybe we need to get rid of all the expensive (good looking, uniquely talented) movie stars.  Perhaps all movies ought to be cartoons shot using computer animated &#8220;Poser&#8221; people.</p>
<p>Dave, I don&#8217;t know what your idea of a marginal cost is. Some authors can write a pretty good book in a month, if they work all day every day at it (I can&#8217;t). That&#8217;s a lot of time and effort. To copyright a work costs around $40.  Editors, cover models, cover artists, copy editors, typesetters all need to be paid too. Also, distribution agents, also vendors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never yet seen a pirate torrent offering to share someone&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/05/the-myths-of-marginal-cost-and-free-part-one/#comment-19590</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By definition, publishing is a reproduction of an original work, a work that would never have existed without the creative spark of an individual or a team. That is the ultimate in scarcity, and is most definitely a fixed cost beyond monetary measure in that no one, anywhere, could have exactly replicated that original work. Perhaps you believe if you have enough monkeys they&#039;ll type the complete works of Shakespeare, but even then their effort would not be original. I am open to hearing an example of something published digitally that both has no fixed cost involved in its creation AND has monetary value such that copyright is important to it.

Apparently I need to start including a disclaimer in every post: &quot;Patrick Ross supports any decision regarding any creator&#039;s works, whether she wishes to give it away or hide it in the bottom of her piano bench.&quot;

The key here is that the creator, through the rights given to her, has choices, and we should respect those choices. We as consumers have no right to dictate -- through piracy, anyway -- what business models we think she should or should not choose. We can attempt to sway her in the marketplace by not honoring ones we dislike, but not by violating her rights.

I wonder sometimes why so many skeptics of copyright jump to the conclusion that because I defend one approach to exercising creators&#039; rights, I somehow &quot;rule out&quot; other exercises. Perhaps it&#039;s because they have decided one exercise is the &quot;right&quot; one and choose not to honor others as a result, and thus assume their opponents also insist on believing others are &quot;wrong&quot; and not worthy of pursuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By definition, publishing is a reproduction of an original work, a work that would never have existed without the creative spark of an individual or a team. That is the ultimate in scarcity, and is most definitely a fixed cost beyond monetary measure in that no one, anywhere, could have exactly replicated that original work. Perhaps you believe if you have enough monkeys they&#8217;ll type the complete works of Shakespeare, but even then their effort would not be original. I am open to hearing an example of something published digitally that both has no fixed cost involved in its creation AND has monetary value such that copyright is important to it.</p>
<p>Apparently I need to start including a disclaimer in every post: &#8220;Patrick Ross supports any decision regarding any creator&#8217;s works, whether she wishes to give it away or hide it in the bottom of her piano bench.&#8221;</p>
<p>The key here is that the creator, through the rights given to her, has choices, and we should respect those choices. We as consumers have no right to dictate &#8212; through piracy, anyway &#8212; what business models we think she should or should not choose. We can attempt to sway her in the marketplace by not honoring ones we dislike, but not by violating her rights.</p>
<p>I wonder sometimes why so many skeptics of copyright jump to the conclusion that because I defend one approach to exercising creators&#8217; rights, I somehow &#8220;rule out&#8221; other exercises. Perhaps it&#8217;s because they have decided one exercise is the &#8220;right&#8221; one and choose not to honor others as a result, and thus assume their opponents also insist on believing others are &#8220;wrong&#8221; and not worthy of pursuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/05/the-myths-of-marginal-cost-and-free-part-one/#comment-19588</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again. As phrased, your &quot;fixed costs&quot; point /almost/ works. Airlines consume gasoline and human resources, etc.  in the transportation of physical things. To imply that it is /the same/ with digital copies is illogical. Yes, some forms of publishing imply high fixed costs. But not all. Other forms of digital publishing entail only marginal costs. &quot;Freely distributed&quot; is an option for those who elect to use it. Or else are you trying to rule out blogging and other social media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again. As phrased, your &#8220;fixed costs&#8221; point /almost/ works. Airlines consume gasoline and human resources, etc.  in the transportation of physical things. To imply that it is /the same/ with digital copies is illogical. Yes, some forms of publishing imply high fixed costs. But not all. Other forms of digital publishing entail only marginal costs. &#8220;Freely distributed&#8221; is an option for those who elect to use it. Or else are you trying to rule out blogging and other social media?</p>
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		<title>By: Magic Trax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magic Trax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. That&#039;s like you can buy the mp3 album off itunes for $1 or ect and it&#039;s $10 for the cd or transfer to your mp3 player. I suppose if these people were actually making the music and putting their money and sweat into projects the tune would change drastically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. That&#8217;s like you can buy the mp3 album off itunes for $1 or ect and it&#8217;s $10 for the cd or transfer to your mp3 player. I suppose if these people were actually making the music and putting their money and sweat into projects the tune would change drastically.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucinda</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/05/the-myths-of-marginal-cost-and-free-part-one/#comment-19307</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal -

In the motion picture industry, the unions handle that level of interaction with and support for the &quot;music studio engineers and movie crew people.&quot; For example, there is IATSE which represents the technicians and craftspersons for the entertainment industry in both the US and Canada. There is also the Producers Guild of America, the Screen Actors Guild, and the Writers Guild of America, to name a few.

You might be surprised if you glance at their websites at how much they do take care of their union members in the ways you suggest above. For example, IATSE offers college scholarship awards for their members&#039; kids and they also provide other services to help pay for college. If you dig deeper, you will find a whole slew of information on benefits and services for union members.

You might also be surprised to know how much piracy affects unions. Things that unions provide for their members, like health insurance and retirement pensions, come from residual movie and DVD sales. So, every time a movie is pirated and a DVD sale is lost, that&#039;s less in the pot for the union members to divide up. That&#039;s less that they have to live off of and fund those emergencies that you mention.

I find it sad, really, that though so many of us in society claim that we are for the hard-working creative worker, we are still able to justify hurting them by pirating movies (music, etc.) and take away that which they work so hard for - health insurance, emergency funds, and pensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal -</p>
<p>In the motion picture industry, the unions handle that level of interaction with and support for the &#8220;music studio engineers and movie crew people.&#8221; For example, there is IATSE which represents the technicians and craftspersons for the entertainment industry in both the US and Canada. There is also the Producers Guild of America, the Screen Actors Guild, and the Writers Guild of America, to name a few.</p>
<p>You might be surprised if you glance at their websites at how much they do take care of their union members in the ways you suggest above. For example, IATSE offers college scholarship awards for their members&#8217; kids and they also provide other services to help pay for college. If you dig deeper, you will find a whole slew of information on benefits and services for union members.</p>
<p>You might also be surprised to know how much piracy affects unions. Things that unions provide for their members, like health insurance and retirement pensions, come from residual movie and DVD sales. So, every time a movie is pirated and a DVD sale is lost, that&#8217;s less in the pot for the union members to divide up. That&#8217;s less that they have to live off of and fund those emergencies that you mention.</p>
<p>I find it sad, really, that though so many of us in society claim that we are for the hard-working creative worker, we are still able to justify hurting them by pirating movies (music, etc.) and take away that which they work so hard for &#8211; health insurance, emergency funds, and pensions.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the MPAA and RIAA were *truly* interested in protecting the music and movie industries, they&#039;d set up funds for music studio engineers and movie crew people who are in need of funds for family emergencies, have trouble finding work, medical emergencies, that kind of thing. 

It would be a real, sincere way to show the corporations are serious about protecting industry jobs when the industries are losing money. 

But they&#039;ll never do it because they are greedy, corrupt and unethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the MPAA and RIAA were *truly* interested in protecting the music and movie industries, they&#8217;d set up funds for music studio engineers and movie crew people who are in need of funds for family emergencies, have trouble finding work, medical emergencies, that kind of thing. </p>
<p>It would be a real, sincere way to show the corporations are serious about protecting industry jobs when the industries are losing money. </p>
<p>But they&#8217;ll never do it because they are greedy, corrupt and unethical.</p>
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