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		<title>By: Jeremy Bornstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-28418</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Bornstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do support the copyright indsustry and I do like you guys, infact i think it is necessary to have stricter laws to protect artists, but if you really want to win over everyone you would not do this silly lobbying. DRM does cause some variation of models, only with access control NOT with TPMS. dont get me wrong i do love copyright and i do support you guys, but i guess we have some disagreements, I guess we could both agree that artists and the public benefit from ip law. We also can both agree that piracy is bad and evil. It is steeling and people should be discouraged from doing it. RIAA education on college campuses might help a bit. One effective way to help online piracy is by suing sites such as bittorent or mininova. EFF argues that p2p is an innovative technology, i really dont see that which is another thing we could agree on. I would like you guys instead of doing commercial lobbying to do nonproftit public education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do support the copyright indsustry and I do like you guys, infact i think it is necessary to have stricter laws to protect artists, but if you really want to win over everyone you would not do this silly lobbying. DRM does cause some variation of models, only with access control NOT with TPMS. dont get me wrong i do love copyright and i do support you guys, but i guess we have some disagreements, I guess we could both agree that artists and the public benefit from ip law. We also can both agree that piracy is bad and evil. It is steeling and people should be discouraged from doing it. RIAA education on college campuses might help a bit. One effective way to help online piracy is by suing sites such as bittorent or mininova. EFF argues that p2p is an innovative technology, i really dont see that which is another thing we could agree on. I would like you guys instead of doing commercial lobbying to do nonproftit public education.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Bornstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-28417</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Bornstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem is is that he rule making process is insufficient, Europe does not have this problem due to an exemption of non infringing uses</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Bornstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-28311</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Bornstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem is that DRM or &#039;&#039;tpms&#039;&#039; do limit fair use of the betamax doctrine, or most judges would say so without the dmca, to make backups games when it comes to consoles or computer games or to simply rip a legaly purchased dvd to an ipod. also the first sale doctrine is at risk as youy cannot selll drmed music or videos. Another thing to consider is how much of a waist of resources the riaa lawsuites have been. there has been just as much filesharing. As a responible copyright holder you must acter to the legitimet neds of ther consumer. as for drm businnes models price drexrimintaion is bad, just look at region locked dvds or if someone wants to watch a dvd of harold and kumar on his player and his ipod, or someone who has 5 computers but a copy of spore for pc(remeber how well that worked) let me ask u a question, if millions of files are shared online all of them which drm is cracked, does it help, also the dmca was also unnecessary due to the fact that copyright infringment is already illegal, the wipo treatys did require protection BUT allowed non infringing breaking of drm which actually is not a fair use exemption. i have looked at proposed legilation in congress by the industry all which extremely limits the consumer ie broadcast flags and the waist of the govs money on the pirate act, the outrages spending on campains is the main reason congress will give in due to your lobbying and your &#039;&#039;financial gifts&#039;&#039; lobbying (of all kind) serves corporations not consumers when involving &#039;&#039;donor&#039;&#039; but unfortuanlty it is legal due to congresses need for campain fincases, but unluckly for you guys it is very likley that there be limitation on campain spending. You are right that fair use is not black in white BUT it is easy for judges to base such uses on the betamax doctrine. the only piracy that can be at least somewhat curbed is that of hard goods for commercial purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem is that DRM or &#8221;tpms&#8221; do limit fair use of the betamax doctrine, or most judges would say so without the dmca, to make backups games when it comes to consoles or computer games or to simply rip a legaly purchased dvd to an ipod. also the first sale doctrine is at risk as youy cannot selll drmed music or videos. Another thing to consider is how much of a waist of resources the riaa lawsuites have been. there has been just as much filesharing. As a responible copyright holder you must acter to the legitimet neds of ther consumer. as for drm businnes models price drexrimintaion is bad, just look at region locked dvds or if someone wants to watch a dvd of harold and kumar on his player and his ipod, or someone who has 5 computers but a copy of spore for pc(remeber how well that worked) let me ask u a question, if millions of files are shared online all of them which drm is cracked, does it help, also the dmca was also unnecessary due to the fact that copyright infringment is already illegal, the wipo treatys did require protection BUT allowed non infringing breaking of drm which actually is not a fair use exemption. i have looked at proposed legilation in congress by the industry all which extremely limits the consumer ie broadcast flags and the waist of the govs money on the pirate act, the outrages spending on campains is the main reason congress will give in due to your lobbying and your &#8221;financial gifts&#8221; lobbying (of all kind) serves corporations not consumers when involving &#8221;donor&#8221; but unfortuanlty it is legal due to congresses need for campain fincases, but unluckly for you guys it is very likley that there be limitation on campain spending. You are right that fair use is not black in white BUT it is easy for judges to base such uses on the betamax doctrine. the only piracy that can be at least somewhat curbed is that of hard goods for commercial purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-28278</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,

Fair use is not black and white, it is specifically ambiguous so as not to curtail future uses not yet conceived. Many uses now claimed by some as &quot;fair use&quot; weren&#039;t technically possible when fair use was added to the law in the 1970s; imagine if lawmakers had instead added a list of uses that were fair, the digital world would be oppressive indeed.

Some fair uses have been defined generally through frequent use (I had a sense of boundaries as a reporter) and others are part of common law now because of court decisions (fair use is actually an affirmative defense one can make if sued for infringement). Often what one views as &quot;fair&quot; is not legally fair use, or at least it hasn&#039;t been settled as such in a court. That said, the DMCA calls for a triennial review at the U.S. Copyright Office, and in each one the Office has issued exemptions allowing circumvention of DRM in cases where they felt fair use was threatened. That is a process in which the public participates.

If you read a little more on this blog, you will learn that (1) various copyright industries use different DRM, based on their method of delivery, cost of production of the work, etc., (2) that DRM creates business models that allow people to buy different uses of works at different price points, and that (3) DRM can never rid us of piracy, but it can help create the affordable legal alternatives, the absence of which infringers often claim is their excuse for taking without paying.

It&#039;s important in this debate to differentiate one&#039;s hostility toward corporations and how protecting rights encourages creativity and the production of creative works. It is hard for many, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>Fair use is not black and white, it is specifically ambiguous so as not to curtail future uses not yet conceived. Many uses now claimed by some as &#8220;fair use&#8221; weren&#8217;t technically possible when fair use was added to the law in the 1970s; imagine if lawmakers had instead added a list of uses that were fair, the digital world would be oppressive indeed.</p>
<p>Some fair uses have been defined generally through frequent use (I had a sense of boundaries as a reporter) and others are part of common law now because of court decisions (fair use is actually an affirmative defense one can make if sued for infringement). Often what one views as &#8220;fair&#8221; is not legally fair use, or at least it hasn&#8217;t been settled as such in a court. That said, the DMCA calls for a triennial review at the U.S. Copyright Office, and in each one the Office has issued exemptions allowing circumvention of DRM in cases where they felt fair use was threatened. That is a process in which the public participates.</p>
<p>If you read a little more on this blog, you will learn that (1) various copyright industries use different DRM, based on their method of delivery, cost of production of the work, etc., (2) that DRM creates business models that allow people to buy different uses of works at different price points, and that (3) DRM can never rid us of piracy, but it can help create the affordable legal alternatives, the absence of which infringers often claim is their excuse for taking without paying.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important in this debate to differentiate one&#8217;s hostility toward corporations and how protecting rights encourages creativity and the production of creative works. It is hard for many, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Bornstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-28259</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Bornstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually i going to be a litter harder on u guys, look I support the copyright industry but DRM is bad, not for me but for alot of america and europe, i did alot of research and it turns out that your revienew streams should not be the price of not fair use per say but for uses that are fair. Apple has dropped the drm skeem, subricptions services are carppy anyway and on top of all that even though I am against the whole robin hood filesharing thing litigation doesnt help. you people have lobbied to get us 3 terrible acts in the 1990&#039;s net,bonoand of course the famous dmca, the reason i am writing this to you is for you to admit that you are an industy a $$$ making buisnees , artits are the least of your concerns, but i will admit they do rely on you guys. but please you are just trying to hard latley, the riaa will be dead in 5 years anyway and the mpaa is still making billions while you exeuctives drink your 500 dollar wine each day, the only reason us fellow democrats give you money is for to reasons 1 to promote the arts which is good , 2 to have more campain money but i a true leftwinger believe in the arts and also what is best for the public, which is not piracy of course. after talking ti my dad who is a lawyer a mangaed to answer some of my own q&#039;s. i do support you guys but just try to lay a little cooler, Also you are right that drm does not affect most fair uses such as reporting,parody,education and ext.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually i going to be a litter harder on u guys, look I support the copyright industry but DRM is bad, not for me but for alot of america and europe, i did alot of research and it turns out that your revienew streams should not be the price of not fair use per say but for uses that are fair. Apple has dropped the drm skeem, subricptions services are carppy anyway and on top of all that even though I am against the whole robin hood filesharing thing litigation doesnt help. you people have lobbied to get us 3 terrible acts in the 1990&#8242;s net,bonoand of course the famous dmca, the reason i am writing this to you is for you to admit that you are an industy a $$$ making buisnees , artits are the least of your concerns, but i will admit they do rely on you guys. but please you are just trying to hard latley, the riaa will be dead in 5 years anyway and the mpaa is still making billions while you exeuctives drink your 500 dollar wine each day, the only reason us fellow democrats give you money is for to reasons 1 to promote the arts which is good , 2 to have more campain money but i a true leftwinger believe in the arts and also what is best for the public, which is not piracy of course. after talking ti my dad who is a lawyer a mangaed to answer some of my own q&#8217;s. i do support you guys but just try to lay a little cooler, Also you are right that drm does not affect most fair uses such as reporting,parody,education and ext.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-28243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also a lot of people claim drm violates fair use,is this true? I don&#039;t see how it can since fair use is for reporting,parody and ext.  also has drm been effective over the years and has it been curbing piracy? because from the way i see it anyone can copy files to p2p using cracking software,  i think drm is not very restrictive, Ive never had a problem with it since i use itunes for my music. I also am curious on how effective it is at preserving revenue for the copyright industries. I am also worried about the impact of file sharing on the music industry, file sharing is a huge problem, and is really stealing even though some people don&#039;t think so. please contact me as i am a high school student curious about ip law.

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also a lot of people claim drm violates fair use,is this true? I don&#8217;t see how it can since fair use is for reporting,parody and ext.  also has drm been effective over the years and has it been curbing piracy? because from the way i see it anyone can copy files to p2p using cracking software,  i think drm is not very restrictive, Ive never had a problem with it since i use itunes for my music. I also am curious on how effective it is at preserving revenue for the copyright industries. I am also worried about the impact of file sharing on the music industry, file sharing is a huge problem, and is really stealing even though some people don&#8217;t think so. please contact me as i am a high school student curious about ip law.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-24634</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,

If a DVD copy is on p2p, somebody ripped it without authorization to get it there.

I think the notion of a &quot;best&quot; business model (you imply a singular one) is what got some media companies in trouble; they&#039;d find one that fit most consumer demand and offer it. The digital age forced these industries to offer more models, but that&#039;s good for the industries and consumers. The folks in creative industries I know are trying to figure out where consumers are and reach them there in ways that are both legal and affordable, and they are increasingly succeeding (look at what a big hit Hulu is).

As for motion pictures, I go to the theater when I can&#039;t wait to see a movie, I buy Blu-Ray for movies I want to watch repeatedly (most DVDs now include a free digital version you can download online), I will do on-demand (sometimes it&#039;s included in subscription like HBO, sometimes it&#039;s per-charge) when I want to see a movie right away but not own, sometimes if I can wait a couple of days I&#039;ll use Netflix, or I&#039;ll stream a Netflix film from my laptop to my HDTV, sometimes I&#039;ll do Redbox if I can&#039;t see paying more than a buck for it (I&#039;m taking a chance) and don&#039;t mind having to return it the next day (sometimes for convenience sake I take another day, it&#039;s only one more dollar), sometimes when I&#039;m bored I&#039;ll watch part of a movie on cable or broadcast that I come across. All of these models work on different price points and different levels of protection. I like them all. The studios would prefer I always buy Blu-Ray and never do Redbox (they don&#039;t get any revenue from Redbox rentals unless they strike a special deal with the company), that maximizes their revenue streams, but they&#039;re all legal and I enjoy all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>If a DVD copy is on p2p, somebody ripped it without authorization to get it there.</p>
<p>I think the notion of a &#8220;best&#8221; business model (you imply a singular one) is what got some media companies in trouble; they&#8217;d find one that fit most consumer demand and offer it. The digital age forced these industries to offer more models, but that&#8217;s good for the industries and consumers. The folks in creative industries I know are trying to figure out where consumers are and reach them there in ways that are both legal and affordable, and they are increasingly succeeding (look at what a big hit Hulu is).</p>
<p>As for motion pictures, I go to the theater when I can&#8217;t wait to see a movie, I buy Blu-Ray for movies I want to watch repeatedly (most DVDs now include a free digital version you can download online), I will do on-demand (sometimes it&#8217;s included in subscription like HBO, sometimes it&#8217;s per-charge) when I want to see a movie right away but not own, sometimes if I can wait a couple of days I&#8217;ll use Netflix, or I&#8217;ll stream a Netflix film from my laptop to my HDTV, sometimes I&#8217;ll do Redbox if I can&#8217;t see paying more than a buck for it (I&#8217;m taking a chance) and don&#8217;t mind having to return it the next day (sometimes for convenience sake I take another day, it&#8217;s only one more dollar), sometimes when I&#8217;m bored I&#8217;ll watch part of a movie on cable or broadcast that I come across. All of these models work on different price points and different levels of protection. I like them all. The studios would prefer I always buy Blu-Ray and never do Redbox (they don&#8217;t get any revenue from Redbox rentals unless they strike a special deal with the company), that maximizes their revenue streams, but they&#8217;re all legal and I enjoy all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Bornstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-24463</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Bornstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRM prevents causal disk to disk copying, not p2p copying. Patrick,can you tell me why the current media business model(for all forms of media) is best from your opinion? I am really confused who&#039;s right and who is wrong about the business model argument . All the best.

Thanks
Jeremy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRM prevents causal disk to disk copying, not p2p copying. Patrick,can you tell me why the current media business model(for all forms of media) is best from your opinion? I am really confused who&#8217;s right and who is wrong about the business model argument . All the best.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Jeremy</p>
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		<title>By: John Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/06/lichtman-everyone-hates-drm/#comment-21880</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, re your analogy to Iran, I could just as easily say, millions of poor souls have lost their livelihoods in the recent financial collapse, including pensions and investments they have earned with the sweat of their brows over decades. I find it unfortunate that you, Patrick, use the word &quot;rights&quot; in reference to your benefactors&#039; desire to regulate every aspect of the use of media down to the consumer level. You, too, could use some perspective. 

Incidentally, you too are a DC advocacy group (&quot;prominent&quot; I don&#039;t know) seeking dilution of copyright law. Specifically, you seek to dilute the rights that the existing copyright law grants to users of copyrighted works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, re your analogy to Iran, I could just as easily say, millions of poor souls have lost their livelihoods in the recent financial collapse, including pensions and investments they have earned with the sweat of their brows over decades. I find it unfortunate that you, Patrick, use the word &#8220;rights&#8221; in reference to your benefactors&#8217; desire to regulate every aspect of the use of media down to the consumer level. You, too, could use some perspective. </p>
<p>Incidentally, you too are a DC advocacy group (&#8220;prominent&#8221; I don&#8217;t know) seeking dilution of copyright law. Specifically, you seek to dilute the rights that the existing copyright law grants to users of copyrighted works.</p>
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