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		<title>By: max davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/hype-vs-reality/#comment-40694</link>
		<dc:creator>max davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarification for SteveAK;  there are underlying copyrights which represent a CREATOR's rights in their work and there are copyrights for the fixed manifestation such as a sound recording, (this is what the RIAA etc. trys to protect).  The fixed manifestation rights are separate from the CREATOR'S rights.

It is the underlying rights to the original work that is in jeopardy from the undermining of copyright laws, as it will hurt a CREATOR'S right to decide what may or may not be done with their creations including what happens with the fixed manifestation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification for SteveAK;  there are underlying copyrights which represent a CREATOR&#8217;s rights in their work and there are copyrights for the fixed manifestation such as a sound recording, (this is what the RIAA etc. trys to protect).  The fixed manifestation rights are separate from the CREATOR&#8217;S rights.</p>
<p>It is the underlying rights to the original work that is in jeopardy from the undermining of copyright laws, as it will hurt a CREATOR&#8217;S right to decide what may or may not be done with their creations including what happens with the fixed manifestation.</p>
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		<title>By: max davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/hype-vs-reality/#comment-40650</link>
		<dc:creator>max davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol....that's funny but incorrect.  This is about CREATOR'S rights not the RIAA etc.  Remember, the RIAA and that whole sector tried to reduce or eliminate publisher's statutory rates a few years ago.  Thankfully and righteously so, they lost.

You see this is the problem.  Most of the general public doesn't really understand what copyrights really stand for!

Please visit http://datarevenue.org for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol&#8230;.that&#8217;s funny but incorrect.  This is about CREATOR&#8217;S rights not the RIAA etc.  Remember, the RIAA and that whole sector tried to reduce or eliminate publisher&#8217;s statutory rates a few years ago.  Thankfully and righteously so, they lost.</p>
<p>You see this is the problem.  Most of the general public doesn&#8217;t really understand what copyrights really stand for!</p>
<p>Please visit <a href="http://datarevenue.org" rel="nofollow">http://datarevenue.org</a> for details.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveAK</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/hype-vs-reality/#comment-40629</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveAK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, if I understand you correctly, you advocate a securitized system for mobile networks.  In order to restrict the "black market" flow of copyrighted materials, all information flowing over mobile networks would have to be inspected.  Any devices capable of connecting to the networks but allowing "too much freedom" would be made illegal, and you could develop no device or network before making sure it couldn't be used to secretly transfer Britney Spears mp3s.  Of course, encryption would need to be deeply regulated and private communications would be rare.  

Perhaps we'll be done with the first prototype of said system by 2050.. a small price to pay to protect the members of the MPAA and RIAA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, if I understand you correctly, you advocate a securitized system for mobile networks.  In order to restrict the &#8220;black market&#8221; flow of copyrighted materials, all information flowing over mobile networks would have to be inspected.  Any devices capable of connecting to the networks but allowing &#8220;too much freedom&#8221; would be made illegal, and you could develop no device or network before making sure it couldn&#8217;t be used to secretly transfer Britney Spears mp3s.  Of course, encryption would need to be deeply regulated and private communications would be rare.  </p>
<p>Perhaps we&#8217;ll be done with the first prototype of said system by 2050.. a small price to pay to protect the members of the MPAA and RIAA!</p>
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		<title>By: max davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/hype-vs-reality/#comment-40517</link>
		<dc:creator>max davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we even entertaining the thought of whether or not copyrights are a valid system?  I'll tell you why.  It is only because we made a serious mistake opening the information pipeline containing most of the unfiltered knowledge known to man which also included copyrighted materials.  So now the "consumer" is thinking that rights holders have got a lot of nerve messin' with the information available in the pipeline when it is the public's right to access and manipulate that information in a free and open society.

Whew!!  What a mess.  This could have been avoided with statutory rates for copyrighted materials working in the background at the ISP level BEFORE the Internet was available for MASS public use.  Now the public is outraged that someone is trying to take that free right to copyrighted materials away from them!

In the mean time the CREATORS of copyrighted materials are losing their rights to control what happens to their creations.  Very few would decide upon a career as a writer or publisher once they had to support a family if there was nothing more than a "warm fuzzy feeling" that they created something.  At that point it would most definitely inhibit innovation.  And so, it is the CREATORS that are getting hurt the most.  Ironically, their rights are protected by the Constitution of the U.S., where is the gov when you need them?

Let's not make this same mistake with the "second edition" Internet, Mobile Networks.  After all, there will be way more transactions done via mobile networks then the "first edition" tethered Internet........eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we even entertaining the thought of whether or not copyrights are a valid system?  I&#8217;ll tell you why.  It is only because we made a serious mistake opening the information pipeline containing most of the unfiltered knowledge known to man which also included copyrighted materials.  So now the &#8220;consumer&#8221; is thinking that rights holders have got a lot of nerve messin&#8217; with the information available in the pipeline when it is the public&#8217;s right to access and manipulate that information in a free and open society.</p>
<p>Whew!!  What a mess.  This could have been avoided with statutory rates for copyrighted materials working in the background at the ISP level BEFORE the Internet was available for MASS public use.  Now the public is outraged that someone is trying to take that free right to copyrighted materials away from them!</p>
<p>In the mean time the CREATORS of copyrighted materials are losing their rights to control what happens to their creations.  Very few would decide upon a career as a writer or publisher once they had to support a family if there was nothing more than a &#8220;warm fuzzy feeling&#8221; that they created something.  At that point it would most definitely inhibit innovation.  And so, it is the CREATORS that are getting hurt the most.  Ironically, their rights are protected by the Constitution of the U.S., where is the gov when you need them?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not make this same mistake with the &#8220;second edition&#8221; Internet, Mobile Networks.  After all, there will be way more transactions done via mobile networks then the &#8220;first edition&#8221; tethered Internet&#8230;&#8230;..eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Biener</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/hype-vs-reality/#comment-40275</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ Biener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin. you're exactly wrong.  Jazz musicians would routinely take songs, change the rhythm and the melody and have a new song.  This is a clear example of evolution that violates no copyright.  People who claim that copyright impedes innovation are usually referring to being able to sample all or part of a piece and using it pretty much unmodified in another piece.  Personally, I don't see that as being particularly innovative or creative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin. you&#8217;re exactly wrong.  Jazz musicians would routinely take songs, change the rhythm and the melody and have a new song.  This is a clear example of evolution that violates no copyright.  People who claim that copyright impedes innovation are usually referring to being able to sample all or part of a piece and using it pretty much unmodified in another piece.  Personally, I don&#8217;t see that as being particularly innovative or creative.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Olbrantz (Quantam)</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/hype-vs-reality/#comment-40078</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Olbrantz (Quantam)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post seems to have a peculiar and probably unforeseen corollary. If most innovation is evolutionary and not revolutionary, thus being slight improvements on existing ideas, would that not mean that intellectual property (both copyright and patents) does indeed inhibit innovation by definition (as revolutionary ideas generally would not run afoul of existing copyright/patents, while evolutionary ideas would)? I strongly suspect this wasn't what you had in mind with this post, but isn't that exactly where your logic leads when followed to its natural conclusion?

Anyway, I never saw much practical value in microblogging in the general case (although it may have some specific uses). I'd say Second Life and YouTube count as revolutionary in that they provide new platforms for expression by users vastly beyond anything previously available, though as you mention both have a pretty limited range of uses, and are not be-all-and-end-all technology; but then, most revolutionary inventions aren't.

But getting back to copyright. A couple days ago I mentioned here that enforcing copyright on the internet is incredibly difficult, and social media sites like YouTube are the pinnacle of this difficulty. While I can't deny the possibility that user-generated content might end up being just another fad, I think there's plenty of reason to believe it won't. 

This entire idea of "creators" vs. "consumer" is largely a western, European one. Elsewhere in the world artistic media such as music are largely communal efforts; there is minimal distinction between "performer" and "audience", and usually most of the "audience" participates in the performance in some way, even if it's not highly prominent. If anything, the prominence of YouTube and other user-created content sites seems to demonstrate the flaw in our western concept, and demonstrate that even those who aren't "creators" in the traditional sense have plenty to express in creations of their own.

I think world music and (unrelated to this post) social psychology are by far the most informative and useful electives I took.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post seems to have a peculiar and probably unforeseen corollary. If most innovation is evolutionary and not revolutionary, thus being slight improvements on existing ideas, would that not mean that intellectual property (both copyright and patents) does indeed inhibit innovation by definition (as revolutionary ideas generally would not run afoul of existing copyright/patents, while evolutionary ideas would)? I strongly suspect this wasn&#8217;t what you had in mind with this post, but isn&#8217;t that exactly where your logic leads when followed to its natural conclusion?</p>
<p>Anyway, I never saw much practical value in microblogging in the general case (although it may have some specific uses). I&#8217;d say Second Life and YouTube count as revolutionary in that they provide new platforms for expression by users vastly beyond anything previously available, though as you mention both have a pretty limited range of uses, and are not be-all-and-end-all technology; but then, most revolutionary inventions aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But getting back to copyright. A couple days ago I mentioned here that enforcing copyright on the internet is incredibly difficult, and social media sites like YouTube are the pinnacle of this difficulty. While I can&#8217;t deny the possibility that user-generated content might end up being just another fad, I think there&#8217;s plenty of reason to believe it won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>This entire idea of &#8220;creators&#8221; vs. &#8220;consumer&#8221; is largely a western, European one. Elsewhere in the world artistic media such as music are largely communal efforts; there is minimal distinction between &#8220;performer&#8221; and &#8220;audience&#8221;, and usually most of the &#8220;audience&#8221; participates in the performance in some way, even if it&#8217;s not highly prominent. If anything, the prominence of YouTube and other user-created content sites seems to demonstrate the flaw in our western concept, and demonstrate that even those who aren&#8217;t &#8220;creators&#8221; in the traditional sense have plenty to express in creations of their own.</p>
<p>I think world music and (unrelated to this post) social psychology are by far the most informative and useful electives I took.</p>
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