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		<title>By: SteveAK</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-40632</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveAK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(After reviewing the original post, I would like to add the following):

You may be acknowledging the existing of other credible opinions while wishing that a straw-man copyright abolitionist had been on the show to be demolished, but I am hoping that is not the case and you would prefer the rational debate which is widely available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(After reviewing the original post, I would like to add the following):</p>
<p>You may be acknowledging the existing of other credible opinions while wishing that a straw-man copyright abolitionist had been on the show to be demolished, but I am hoping that is not the case and you would prefer the rational debate which is widely available.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveAK</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-40631</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveAK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, I believe you've falsely limited the number of existing and relevant opinions.  Of course, there are a wide variety of opinions regarding the measures that should be taken to stop copyright piracy.  We can naturally expect major copyright holders to argue for their own best interest.  However, there are other influential views on the issue which weight other interests differently; as an example, take William Patry (who you debated as a fellow copyright supporter with different beliefs about the most effective copyright laws).  While we may once have believed "What's good for GM is good for America", I think we've seen that proven wrong.  There are many stakeholders in these issues and their opinions should be taken into account and not presumed irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I believe you&#8217;ve falsely limited the number of existing and relevant opinions.  Of course, there are a wide variety of opinions regarding the measures that should be taken to stop copyright piracy.  We can naturally expect major copyright holders to argue for their own best interest.  However, there are other influential views on the issue which weight other interests differently; as an example, take William Patry (who you debated as a fellow copyright supporter with different beliefs about the most effective copyright laws).  While we may once have believed &#8220;What&#8217;s good for GM is good for America&#8221;, I think we&#8217;ve seen that proven wrong.  There are many stakeholders in these issues and their opinions should be taken into account and not presumed irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Corton</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-39841</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Corton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to address some of the things that John Gordon, Nick and Fat Sean have asserted or questioned. I should start by telling you that I represent songwriters and license their music for use in films as well as other types of uses. Our company is a small independent and we represent some well known and not so well know songs. However, we also used to provide music supervision services for films. I am very familiar with what it takes to launch and release a movie and the literally thousands of people that work in their own big or small way to make it happen. It's not just the studio and the big stars, it's all the people associated with the writing, pre-production, filming, licensing of other creative works in the film, domestic distribution, marketing, theatrical venders, foreign distributors etc. This also includes all the people that assist this army of people who eke out only a modest living, support their kids and pay their taxes. 

John Gordon writes "That’s not the fault of infringement - that’s how the film industry has chosen to structure itself." Any actor will tell you that when they were starting their career and even in mid-stage of their career, their residuals were literally the thing that kept them alive, especially if they have a bad run at finding a new acting job. Whenever I hear someone dismiss all of the lesser known people who are effected by piracy, I realize that we as an industry do not talk enough about those people. We as a country are supported and respected around the world on the backs of thousands of creative and technical people through the creative industries, but those jobs are seriously in jeopardy every time someone decides they would like to steal a piece of copyrighted property just because they can.

Nick writes "They would find that they (indie film producers) make huge sacrifices for their art with no expectations other than to make art." I have worked with more than my share of indie film producers and I can assure you that ALL of them hope to make money from their art. How could they survive as a film maker if they didn't make any money? Further, a lot of those indie films get funded by producers of non-indie films and if those producers don't make money from their larger commercial ventures....those indie films don't get made. Maybe the reason the quality of film making is going down (as several have asserted) is that indie film producers can't get the funding they need to produce their art and survive at the same time because piracy has made that dream impossible.

Fat Sean Says "Fair Use? What ever happened to Fair Use?". I can assure you that Fair Use is in full use right now but what constitutes a fair use under US Copyright Law is not a distribution of any film that anyone wants to obtain for free via the Internet. 

As an independent, I too have my share of frustration with the corporate side of the film industry. However, to say that because you don't like these people or hate the films they are making that this somehow gives you the right to make your own free copy of their protected works is so far from being reasonable. We have copyright laws to protect those in the creative arts so that they can make a living from their art. The problem is people can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that stealing intellectual property is exactly the same as stealing physical property. Yes, there will always be shop lifters and thieves of every kind, but I wish the general public would be more aware of the damage that is being done by piracy to average hard working Americans like myself who just happen to use creativity as their skill to make a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to address some of the things that John Gordon, Nick and Fat Sean have asserted or questioned. I should start by telling you that I represent songwriters and license their music for use in films as well as other types of uses. Our company is a small independent and we represent some well known and not so well know songs. However, we also used to provide music supervision services for films. I am very familiar with what it takes to launch and release a movie and the literally thousands of people that work in their own big or small way to make it happen. It&#8217;s not just the studio and the big stars, it&#8217;s all the people associated with the writing, pre-production, filming, licensing of other creative works in the film, domestic distribution, marketing, theatrical venders, foreign distributors etc. This also includes all the people that assist this army of people who eke out only a modest living, support their kids and pay their taxes. </p>
<p>John Gordon writes &#8220;That’s not the fault of infringement - that’s how the film industry has chosen to structure itself.&#8221; Any actor will tell you that when they were starting their career and even in mid-stage of their career, their residuals were literally the thing that kept them alive, especially if they have a bad run at finding a new acting job. Whenever I hear someone dismiss all of the lesser known people who are effected by piracy, I realize that we as an industry do not talk enough about those people. We as a country are supported and respected around the world on the backs of thousands of creative and technical people through the creative industries, but those jobs are seriously in jeopardy every time someone decides they would like to steal a piece of copyrighted property just because they can.</p>
<p>Nick writes &#8220;They would find that they (indie film producers) make huge sacrifices for their art with no expectations other than to make art.&#8221; I have worked with more than my share of indie film producers and I can assure you that ALL of them hope to make money from their art. How could they survive as a film maker if they didn&#8217;t make any money? Further, a lot of those indie films get funded by producers of non-indie films and if those producers don&#8217;t make money from their larger commercial ventures&#8230;.those indie films don&#8217;t get made. Maybe the reason the quality of film making is going down (as several have asserted) is that indie film producers can&#8217;t get the funding they need to produce their art and survive at the same time because piracy has made that dream impossible.</p>
<p>Fat Sean Says &#8220;Fair Use? What ever happened to Fair Use?&#8221;. I can assure you that Fair Use is in full use right now but what constitutes a fair use under US Copyright Law is not a distribution of any film that anyone wants to obtain for free via the Internet. </p>
<p>As an independent, I too have my share of frustration with the corporate side of the film industry. However, to say that because you don&#8217;t like these people or hate the films they are making that this somehow gives you the right to make your own free copy of their protected works is so far from being reasonable. We have copyright laws to protect those in the creative arts so that they can make a living from their art. The problem is people can&#8217;t seem to wrap their heads around the idea that stealing intellectual property is exactly the same as stealing physical property. Yes, there will always be shop lifters and thieves of every kind, but I wish the general public would be more aware of the damage that is being done by piracy to average hard working Americans like myself who just happen to use creativity as their skill to make a living.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Sheffner</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-39821</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Patrick. I agree with you that it would have been helpful to have someone on the piece arguing that the studios should simply stop doing copyright enforcement. I think the very airing of such an opinion would &lt;i&gt;help&lt;/i&gt; copyright owners' cause, as the vast majority of Americans understand that the business cannot, over the long term, survive if people obtain their movies without paying for them. A very vocal minority may claim that the studios should simply give up on enforcement and "come up with a new business model." But most people, I think, understand that any business, from a small shop to a major movie studio, has the right to fight back when people take their most valuable products for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Patrick. I agree with you that it would have been helpful to have someone on the piece arguing that the studios should simply stop doing copyright enforcement. I think the very airing of such an opinion would <i>help</i> copyright owners&#8217; cause, as the vast majority of Americans understand that the business cannot, over the long term, survive if people obtain their movies without paying for them. A very vocal minority may claim that the studios should simply give up on enforcement and &#8220;come up with a new business model.&#8221; But most people, I think, understand that any business, from a small shop to a major movie studio, has the right to fight back when people take their most valuable products for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Tye Banks</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-39797</link>
		<dc:creator>Tye Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a sorry folks but I'm a independent artist and actor and it does hurt the movie and music industry! The reason why those big name actors get the most of the money is because it's their name on the line! When the movie is a great movie or bad movie who get's credit and blame for it? The lead actor or actress!

And when studios cut back production that's less opportunities for a up and coming actor as myself. Even as a indie movie producer I've been faced with people illegally downloading material that hurts our whole business. Look less money means less ablity to hire more people! You can say what you want to make yourself feel good about illegaly downloading material the fact remains money lost means no money to do more!

Tye Banks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a sorry folks but I&#8217;m a independent artist and actor and it does hurt the movie and music industry! The reason why those big name actors get the most of the money is because it&#8217;s their name on the line! When the movie is a great movie or bad movie who get&#8217;s credit and blame for it? The lead actor or actress!</p>
<p>And when studios cut back production that&#8217;s less opportunities for a up and coming actor as myself. Even as a indie movie producer I&#8217;ve been faced with people illegally downloading material that hurts our whole business. Look less money means less ablity to hire more people! You can say what you want to make yourself feel good about illegaly downloading material the fact remains money lost means no money to do more!</p>
<p>Tye Banks</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Sean</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-39642</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't been to a movie or bought a new DVD or CD since 2005.  I buy used.  

Look at the failure of the war on drugs.  This is the inevitable end of copyright we are seeing.  Fair Use? What ever happened to Fair Use?  Industry seeking to make the most money possible already gives us 90% garbage...and their DRM scams make using that content even more difficult and annoying.

Buy all the anti-citizen laws you want, you will lose.  You can't stop private persons getting together in their homes to trade content.  You can push it off of the internet, but you'll never ever stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been to a movie or bought a new DVD or CD since 2005.  I buy used.  </p>
<p>Look at the failure of the war on drugs.  This is the inevitable end of copyright we are seeing.  Fair Use? What ever happened to Fair Use?  Industry seeking to make the most money possible already gives us 90% garbage&#8230;and their DRM scams make using that content even more difficult and annoying.</p>
<p>Buy all the anti-citizen laws you want, you will lose.  You can&#8217;t stop private persons getting together in their homes to trade content.  You can push it off of the internet, but you&#8217;ll never ever stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-39634</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone on our side would have made an argument against the egregious pursuit to stop imagined lost sales in the face of record theater attendance and profits it would be edited out of the segment because it make too much sense.  Unchecked corporate greed is indefensible.

I too would have liked them to interview some indie film producers.  They would find that they make huge sacrifices for their art with no expectations other than to make art.  It would show the vast difference between true artists and  the corporate capitalist maximalist hell bent on increased shareholder value over civil liberties.

I am surprised 60 Min mentioned the Wolverine leak that happened form the inside.  It makes the case for strip searches (yes I exaggerate here) at the theaters and arresting camcording theater patrons redundant and ineffective.

I agree, piracy is not a sport, it is a futile game of cat and mouse that your lobby will never win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone on our side would have made an argument against the egregious pursuit to stop imagined lost sales in the face of record theater attendance and profits it would be edited out of the segment because it make too much sense.  Unchecked corporate greed is indefensible.</p>
<p>I too would have liked them to interview some indie film producers.  They would find that they make huge sacrifices for their art with no expectations other than to make art.  It would show the vast difference between true artists and  the corporate capitalist maximalist hell bent on increased shareholder value over civil liberties.</p>
<p>I am surprised 60 Min mentioned the Wolverine leak that happened form the inside.  It makes the case for strip searches (yes I exaggerate here) at the theaters and arresting camcording theater patrons redundant and ineffective.</p>
<p>I agree, piracy is not a sport, it is a futile game of cat and mouse that your lobby will never win.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-60-minutes-kerfluffle/#comment-39527</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"he also noted that the big movie star “isn’t hurt” but other actors and crew are. Their residuals from DVD and other post-theater distribution services have declined as infringement has grown."

That's not the fault of infringement - that's how the film industry has chosen to structure itself.  No matter how much you condemn so-called pirates, you can't blame them for the fact that Hollywood's revenues, which hit a record high this year, go disproportionately to the people at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he also noted that the big movie star “isn’t hurt” but other actors and crew are. Their residuals from DVD and other post-theater distribution services have declined as infringement has grown.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the fault of infringement - that&#8217;s how the film industry has chosen to structure itself.  No matter how much you condemn so-called pirates, you can&#8217;t blame them for the fact that Hollywood&#8217;s revenues, which hit a record high this year, go disproportionately to the people at the top.</p>
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