Comments on: The Consequences of Movie Piracy http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/ Copyright Information Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:04:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Jeff Power http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-43230 Jeff Power Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:05:37 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-43230 Yikes, James let me first start by saying that online anonymity is a myth. And something about the right not to incriminate yourself. So your argument is if you can't afford food or a DVD player you should be allowed to steal it? I'm onside with you in regards to perhaps overly harsh fines but you are breaking the law. I might point you to find a way to legally record streaming music as there are such methods available If you're the US this law would apply to you According to US copyright Law 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions "No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings." Just quoting the law here folks, don't get too excited If you do this in a way that does not bypass copy protection systems then it is legal. Morally it still might be questionable but at least you won't be exposing yourself to lawsuits, fines or legal entanglements. PS If US law has changed in this regard to section 1008 please let me know - Thanks Yikes, James let me first start by saying that online anonymity is a myth. And something about the right not to incriminate yourself.
So your argument is if you can’t afford food or a DVD player you should be allowed to steal it? I’m onside with you in regards to perhaps overly harsh fines but you are breaking the law. I might point you to find a way to legally record streaming music as there are such methods available
If you’re the US this law would apply to you
According to US copyright Law
1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
“No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings.”
Just quoting the law here folks, don’t get too excited
If you do this in a way that does not bypass copy protection systems then it is legal.
Morally it still might be questionable but at least you won’t be exposing yourself to lawsuits, fines or legal entanglements.
PS If US law has changed in this regard to section 1008 please let me know - Thanks

]]> By: James http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-43222 James Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:51:10 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-43222 The fact is, is that it will happen. The industries have tried to push us away from "piracy" by imposing heavy fines. If at 750$ a song (which is what my friend was charged a few months ago when he was caught) you are being forced to pay unreasonable fines. I myself if I were to be held to the same fine would owe a little under 3 million. (3800 songs at 750 is equal to 2,950,000$) Not to mention movies, but the fact of the matter is i download because i cant afford to buy. That is something I think hasnt been taken into consideration. I dont have the money to buy all the CD's i want or buy the movies i want, so i download. As for sharing, why not? If you buy a CD and put the songs on your computer and then give the songs from your computer to someone else isnt that just the same as send the CD you bought to the person? The fact is, is that it will happen. The industries have tried to push us away from “piracy” by imposing heavy fines. If at 750$ a song (which is what my friend was charged a few months ago when he was caught) you are being forced to pay unreasonable fines. I myself if I were to be held to the same fine would owe a little under 3 million. (3800 songs at 750 is equal to 2,950,000$) Not to mention movies, but the fact of the matter is i download because i cant afford to buy. That is something I think hasnt been taken into consideration. I dont have the money to buy all the CD’s i want or buy the movies i want, so i download. As for sharing, why not? If you buy a CD and put the songs on your computer and then give the songs from your computer to someone else isnt that just the same as send the CD you bought to the person?

]]> By: Juliette http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-43014 Juliette Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:52:53 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-43014 “I want to enjoy creative works in the way that I want, in the setting that I want, when I want, and at the price point I want, and if those demands aren’t being met, then it’s the producer’s fault I’m opting out of their business model.” Patrick, Well that about sums it up. Unfortunately, the world does not revolve around one individual's needs and demands. I was having a discussion about this very attitude with a friend who's a sound engineer at a popular Hollywood (recording) studio last week. Many studios are hurting and many record labels just aren't signing artists that are deemed to be "risky" or "different". This is largely due to all of the downsizing that has taken place as a result of all the lost sales due to piracy. This means more homogenization in our culture. That is the harm that those who wish not to pay are doing to themselves in the long run. How boring life is without diversity in the arts. God knows, we don't want this to happen to the film industry as well. Great article:-) PS-There also exists a little thingie called Property Rights. If we do not respect that principle, where will it end? “I want to enjoy creative works in the way that I want, in the setting that I want, when I want, and at the price point I want, and if those demands aren’t being met, then it’s the producer’s fault I’m opting out of their business model.”

Patrick,

Well that about sums it up. Unfortunately, the world does not revolve around one individual’s needs and demands. I was having a discussion about this very attitude with a friend who’s a sound engineer at a popular Hollywood (recording) studio last week. Many studios are hurting and many record labels just aren’t signing artists that are deemed to be “risky” or “different”. This is largely due to all of the downsizing that has taken place as a result of all the lost sales due to piracy. This means more homogenization in our culture. That is the harm that those who wish not to pay are doing to themselves in the long run. How boring life is without diversity in the arts. God knows, we don’t want this to happen to the film industry as well.

Great article:-)

PS-There also exists a little thingie called Property Rights. If we do not respect that principle, where will it end?

]]> By: Jeff Power http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-42964 Jeff Power Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:43:07 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-42964 I think it's a great quote, puts a very calous face on the subject. It's also a great example of how difficult this battle is, as Ahmad Al-Ashqar of south suburban Palos Heights according to the article quoted has broken no laws. The act amoral and the comment ...well intellectually challenged comes to mind. So what is needed, another law? A better way to shut down these sites? More enforcement? or perhaps all of the above? I think it’s a great quote, puts a very calous face on the subject. It’s also a great example of how difficult this battle is, as Ahmad Al-Ashqar of south suburban Palos Heights according to the article quoted has broken no laws. The act amoral and the comment …well intellectually challenged comes to mind.
So what is needed, another law? A better way to shut down these sites? More enforcement? or perhaps all of the above?

]]> By: Jackson http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-42792 Jackson Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:39:39 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-42792 “I don’t think it’s wrong,” said 21-year-old online movie-watcher Ahmad Al-Ashqar of south suburban Palos Heights. “I’m sure the movie industry is doing a lot of harm to us, taking our money.” THIS STATEMENT IS THE MOST INSANE COMMENT I'VE EVER HEARD ON THIS SUBJECT. Seriously, Ahmad or whatever his name actually is should be locked someplace where he can't hurt himself or others. I know the argument about "old enough to serve in the military, old enough to vote". BUT AHMED'S STATEMENT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO PROVE TO EVERYONE ON THE PLANET ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT NO ONE REGARDLESS OF AGE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE UNTIL THEY HAVE AT LEAST SOME SEMBLANCE OF WHAT REALITY IS. “I don’t think it’s wrong,” said 21-year-old online movie-watcher Ahmad Al-Ashqar of south suburban Palos Heights. “I’m sure the movie industry is doing a lot of harm to us, taking our money.” THIS STATEMENT IS THE MOST INSANE COMMENT I’VE EVER HEARD ON THIS SUBJECT. Seriously, Ahmad or whatever his name actually is should be locked someplace where he can’t hurt himself or others. I know the argument about “old enough to serve in the military, old enough to vote”. BUT AHMED’S STATEMENT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO PROVE TO EVERYONE ON THE PLANET ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT NO ONE REGARDLESS OF AGE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE UNTIL THEY HAVE AT LEAST SOME SEMBLANCE OF WHAT REALITY IS.

]]> By: Peter Roos http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-42738 Peter Roos Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:40:30 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-42738 Ahmad Al-Ashqar of south suburban Palos Heights still has a lot to learn. How nice of him to use his full name though, that'll make it easier for the attorneys to track him down to serve process for a copyright infringment lawsuit. Folks, ripping movies or music or games or whatever, hurts content creators. Don't get us confused with large conglomerates for whom you may have little sympathy. They pay us content creators for our music and movies. If their profit margins are suffering because of rampant piracy they sure don't have any money to pay the creators. Ahmad Al-Ashqar of south suburban Palos Heights still has a lot to learn. How nice of him to use his full name though, that’ll make it easier for the attorneys to track him down to serve process for a copyright infringment lawsuit.

Folks, ripping movies or music or games or whatever, hurts content creators. Don’t get us confused with large conglomerates for whom you may have little sympathy. They pay us content creators for our music and movies. If their profit margins are suffering because of rampant piracy they sure don’t have any money to pay the creators.

]]> By: Johnson http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-42734 Johnson Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:19:25 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-42734 So approach the Internet service providers (I.e.,cable companies etc) about a media tax or eqivilant. This charge could be minute comparatively and could be used to pay royalties or dues to the creators and artists. But this would take work and an approach to the untouchables. Look I can do the same thing With a liitle bit more physical work, by visiting the library. I'm sure the libraries have a little due to the music and film industry, so why not the very folks who allow for these "horrible acts of crime". It's non-violent crime at best in a world of grotesque. Grow up, stop playing with your peers and make something. Happen. So approach the Internet service providers (I.e.,cable companies etc) about a media tax or eqivilant. This charge could be minute comparatively and could be used to pay royalties or dues to the creators and artists. But this would take work and an approach to the untouchables. Look I can do the same thing With a liitle bit more physical work, by visiting the library. I’m sure the libraries have a little due to the music and film industry, so why not the very folks who allow for these “horrible acts of crime”. It’s non-violent crime at best in a world of grotesque. Grow up, stop playing with your peers and make something. Happen.

]]> By: The Copyright Alliance Blog » Blog Archive » Stuff Infringers Like http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-42533 The Copyright Alliance Blog » Blog Archive » Stuff Infringers Like Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:30:54 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-42533 [...] write a lot on this blog about the puzzling ability of those who are able to rationalize their acquisition of a [...] [...] write a lot on this blog about the puzzling ability of those who are able to rationalize their acquisition of a [...]

]]> By: cmecopyright http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-42192 cmecopyright Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:57:22 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-42192 Jeff, First, generally speaking, in the US you cannot legally record streaming music--and you certainly can't do so to create a digital library. Second, if you "take a copy of that recording and give it to a friend," you actually have broken the law because you are distributing an illegal copy. Even if the copy was legally made, you still would have copyright problems. Think, for example, if you if you bought a CD, ripped a copy, and then gave it to a friend; you are infringing on the copyright contained in the CD (both the sound recording and the music). If, however, you buy a CD, you can legally sell or give that CD to someone else. That is called the doctrine of first sale. Jeff,

First, generally speaking, in the US you cannot legally record streaming music–and you certainly can’t do so to create a digital library. Second, if you “take a copy of that recording and give it to a friend,” you actually have broken the law because you are distributing an illegal copy. Even if the copy was legally made, you still would have copyright problems. Think, for example, if you if you bought a CD, ripped a copy, and then gave it to a friend; you are infringing on the copyright contained in the CD (both the sound recording and the music). If, however, you buy a CD, you can legally sell or give that CD to someone else. That is called the doctrine of first sale.

]]> By: Jeff Power http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/11/the-consequences-of-movie-piracy/#comment-42124 Jeff Power Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:28:06 +0000 http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/?p=532#comment-42124 I have more questions. Forgive me but the Idea of Copyright and protection of works fascinates me. Is discussion of infringement only in relation to law? For instance in my country it is legal to take streaming digital music from the net and copy it for personal use(record the stream for listening later). I'm sure the rights holder would consider this infringement, but according to the law (at least in my country) it is legal. Using this method I could legally create a very nice digital music collection and not pay a cent. Now if I take a copy of that recording and give it to a friend I've broken the law but it's hard to make that connection of recording a performance legally and freely and then that item once again regaining it's protection. I have more questions. Forgive me but the Idea of Copyright and protection of works fascinates me. Is discussion of infringement only in relation to law? For instance in my country it is legal to take streaming digital music from the net and copy it for personal use(record the stream for listening later). I’m sure the rights holder would consider this infringement, but according to the law (at least in my country) it is legal. Using this method I could legally create a very nice digital music collection and not pay a cent.
Now if I take a copy of that recording and give it to a friend I’ve broken the law but it’s hard to make that connection of recording a performance legally and freely and then that item once again regaining it’s protection.

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