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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/12/obama-administration-serious-about-jobs-creators/#comment-44271</link>
		<dc:creator>David Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Yes, I have read the Federalist Papers. They are pretty good. 

Federalist #43 (Madison), the first and second paragraph. When I referred to &quot;balance&quot; I had in mind this sentence: &quot;The public good fully coincides in both cases with the claims of individuals.&quot; What do you think he means by that?

In this context, one might also look at Madison&#039;s letter to Jefferson (July 31, 1788), which is also about the copyright and patent clause : 

&quot;With regard to monopolies they are justly classed among the greatest nusances in Government. But is it clear that as encouragements to literary works and ingenious discoveries, they are not too valuable to be wholly renounced? Would it not suffice to reserve in all cases a right to the Public to abolish the privilege at a price to be specified in the grant of it? Is there not also infinitely less danger of this abuse in our Governments, than in most others? Monopolies are sacrifices of the many to the few. Where the power is in the few it is natural for them to sacrifice the many to their own partialities and corruptions.&quot; 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Yes, I have read the Federalist Papers. They are pretty good. </p>
<p>Federalist #43 (Madison), the first and second paragraph. When I referred to &#8220;balance&#8221; I had in mind this sentence: &#8220;The public good fully coincides in both cases with the claims of individuals.&#8221; What do you think he means by that?</p>
<p>In this context, one might also look at Madison&#8217;s letter to Jefferson (July 31, 1788), which is also about the copyright and patent clause : </p>
<p>&#8220;With regard to monopolies they are justly classed among the greatest nusances in Government. But is it clear that as encouragements to literary works and ingenious discoveries, they are not too valuable to be wholly renounced? Would it not suffice to reserve in all cases a right to the Public to abolish the privilege at a price to be specified in the grant of it? Is there not also infinitely less danger of this abuse in our Governments, than in most others? Monopolies are sacrifices of the many to the few. Where the power is in the few it is natural for them to sacrifice the many to their own partialities and corruptions.&#8221; </p>
<p>what do you think he means by that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Power</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/12/obama-administration-serious-about-jobs-creators/#comment-44261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t jump to any conclusions regarding these meetings. Although I was somewhat surprised to see no ISP representation given the role they may have to play in enforcement. While Obama comes out as a strong supporter of Artists rights he&#039;s also a a strong supporter for law, privacy and individual rights. I don&#039;t see anyone influencing him to the point of infringing anyone else&#039;s rights over another&#039;s and I believe he&#039;s made comments of that nature before. 
As everyone knows in politics we&#039;ll have to wait for the action, talk is only talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t jump to any conclusions regarding these meetings. Although I was somewhat surprised to see no ISP representation given the role they may have to play in enforcement. While Obama comes out as a strong supporter of Artists rights he&#8217;s also a a strong supporter for law, privacy and individual rights. I don&#8217;t see anyone influencing him to the point of infringing anyone else&#8217;s rights over another&#8217;s and I believe he&#8217;s made comments of that nature before.<br />
As everyone knows in politics we&#8217;ll have to wait for the action, talk is only talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/12/obama-administration-serious-about-jobs-creators/#comment-44178</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious, David? I guess you are.

I&#039;d ask the executive director of PK about straw men; her press release on this reinvents the summit as one. She frequently boasts on her blog and in public fora about how she has numerous friends in the White House and across the Administration, and they love to have her in to chat and eagerly take her calls; PK is hardly hurting for access!

The Vice President called a summit seeking input on how to increase copyright enforcement. He has studied the issue for more years than most PK supporters have been alive. He feels strongly that there is a dearth of copyright enforcement domestically and abroad, and that this lack of enforcement of creators&#039; rights significantly undermines creativity, U.S. employment and our economy. Other Administration officials, including Ambassador Ron Kirk and Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, repeatedly make the same argument. Some of us happen to agree with them.

Had the summit been about whether increased enforcement was needed, that likely would have drawn a different crowd. It&#039;s understandable why PK was upset at the summit, because the folks at PK disagree with its very premise, that more copyright enforcement is needed. I&#039;m sure they convey their own message to the Administration in all those chats they boast about.

Let me note that I take great offense at the language you quote from PK. She is accusing the Obama Administration of wishing to pursue &quot;Draconian&quot; policies; speaking of substance, she should demonstrate what she means with such a strong denunciation of White House leadership. It is also offensive to refer to the many union workers represented at the summit, and the many individual creators and contributors to creative efforts (make-up artists, set carpenters, etc.) also represented by their employers at the summit, as a &quot;privileged special interest group.&quot; The artists and creators I know hardly feel privileged, when so little is done to enforce their rights online; more than 11,000 said so when they signed a letter to President Obama and Vice President Biden on our site. How dare PK demonize hard-working American artists and creators. But it&#039;s the end of the year, and PK needs to work folks up to get more donations; creating FUD is one way to do that.

I&#039;d suggest that rather than paraphrasing Madison, you go read his actual language in the Federalist Papers. Given his wisdom on copyright, I&#039;d have been happy to have had him at the summit, were he still with us. At least the U.S. Copyright Office -- a strong defender of the rights of &quot;authors,&quot; as the Founding Fathers referred to artists and creators -- is housed in a building that bears Madison&#039;s name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious, David? I guess you are.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask the executive director of PK about straw men; her press release on this reinvents the summit as one. She frequently boasts on her blog and in public fora about how she has numerous friends in the White House and across the Administration, and they love to have her in to chat and eagerly take her calls; PK is hardly hurting for access!</p>
<p>The Vice President called a summit seeking input on how to increase copyright enforcement. He has studied the issue for more years than most PK supporters have been alive. He feels strongly that there is a dearth of copyright enforcement domestically and abroad, and that this lack of enforcement of creators&#8217; rights significantly undermines creativity, U.S. employment and our economy. Other Administration officials, including Ambassador Ron Kirk and Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, repeatedly make the same argument. Some of us happen to agree with them.</p>
<p>Had the summit been about whether increased enforcement was needed, that likely would have drawn a different crowd. It&#8217;s understandable why PK was upset at the summit, because the folks at PK disagree with its very premise, that more copyright enforcement is needed. I&#8217;m sure they convey their own message to the Administration in all those chats they boast about.</p>
<p>Let me note that I take great offense at the language you quote from PK. She is accusing the Obama Administration of wishing to pursue &#8220;Draconian&#8221; policies; speaking of substance, she should demonstrate what she means with such a strong denunciation of White House leadership. It is also offensive to refer to the many union workers represented at the summit, and the many individual creators and contributors to creative efforts (make-up artists, set carpenters, etc.) also represented by their employers at the summit, as a &#8220;privileged special interest group.&#8221; The artists and creators I know hardly feel privileged, when so little is done to enforce their rights online; more than 11,000 said so when they signed a letter to President Obama and Vice President Biden on our site. How dare PK demonize hard-working American artists and creators. But it&#8217;s the end of the year, and PK needs to work folks up to get more donations; creating FUD is one way to do that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that rather than paraphrasing Madison, you go read his actual language in the Federalist Papers. Given his wisdom on copyright, I&#8217;d have been happy to have had him at the summit, were he still with us. At least the U.S. Copyright Office &#8212; a strong defender of the rights of &#8220;authors,&#8221; as the Founding Fathers referred to artists and creators &#8212; is housed in a building that bears Madison&#8217;s name.</p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/12/obama-administration-serious-about-jobs-creators/#comment-44169</link>
		<dc:creator>David Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you meet the substance of PK&#039;s objection? 

&quot;No consumer or public-interest groups, technology companies, technology associations or Internet Service Providers are on the guest list. No one who questions the need for Draconian governmental policies on behalf of the privileged special interest group for whom this meeting is being held is on the guest list. &quot;

Madison said that the beauty and power of the copyright clause lay in its perfect balancing of public and private interests. This meeting sounds more like a lovefest of unbalancing against the public interest. Persons who are serious about copyright do well  to /think/ about this issue, not wave it away with strawmen and cheerleading for one side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you meet the substance of PK&#8217;s objection? </p>
<p>&#8220;No consumer or public-interest groups, technology companies, technology associations or Internet Service Providers are on the guest list. No one who questions the need for Draconian governmental policies on behalf of the privileged special interest group for whom this meeting is being held is on the guest list. &#8221;</p>
<p>Madison said that the beauty and power of the copyright clause lay in its perfect balancing of public and private interests. This meeting sounds more like a lovefest of unbalancing against the public interest. Persons who are serious about copyright do well  to /think/ about this issue, not wave it away with strawmen and cheerleading for one side.</p>
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		<title>By: Taz Taylor</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/12/obama-administration-serious-about-jobs-creators/#comment-43990</link>
		<dc:creator>Taz Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good to know that VP Biden has realized the economic effect that copyrite theft has on our domestic economy. It is also worth noting that music and movies are 2 of our largest exports, bringing in many, many dollars to the U.S. As an artist I find it heartbreaking after all of the late nights in the studio, $$ spent on recording time, etc, etc to see the results of my labor being downloaded thousands of times from torrent sites, by people who just don&#039;t give a damn. The notion that any exposure is good just doesn&#039;t hold water with me, I&#039;m not interested in a &quot;fan&quot; who is all about taking and not giving back. I&#039;m not making music to get rich by any means, but a fair exchange between the artist and the consumer so that I might break even one day is a reasonable thing to hope for. This country was not built by selfish people who only wanted to take for themselves...and yes I am a Republican !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to know that VP Biden has realized the economic effect that copyrite theft has on our domestic economy. It is also worth noting that music and movies are 2 of our largest exports, bringing in many, many dollars to the U.S. As an artist I find it heartbreaking after all of the late nights in the studio, $$ spent on recording time, etc, etc to see the results of my labor being downloaded thousands of times from torrent sites, by people who just don&#8217;t give a damn. The notion that any exposure is good just doesn&#8217;t hold water with me, I&#8217;m not interested in a &#8220;fan&#8221; who is all about taking and not giving back. I&#8217;m not making music to get rich by any means, but a fair exchange between the artist and the consumer so that I might break even one day is a reasonable thing to hope for. This country was not built by selfish people who only wanted to take for themselves&#8230;and yes I am a Republican !</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/12/obama-administration-serious-about-jobs-creators/#comment-43974</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with your outcry scenario. Please show me the pro-copyright voices in this event -- http://worldsfairuseday.org/ . I am a big believer in fair use, used it every day for a decade as a reporter, and would be happy to discuss how fair use is thriving. I respect that PK can choose not to have a voice drawing a connection between strong copyright and robust fair use, that they are in fact complimentary. I didn&#039;t put out a press release criticizing the absence of a voice stating that in that event.

The Vice President has been specifically tasked by President Obama to focus on job creation and preservation, as I&#039;m sure you know. His event fit that mission perfectly.

I will decline to comment on the idea of Professor Lessig as VP, as fun as that would be to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with your outcry scenario. Please show me the pro-copyright voices in this event &#8212; <a href="http://worldsfairuseday.org/" rel="nofollow">http://worldsfairuseday.org/</a> . I am a big believer in fair use, used it every day for a decade as a reporter, and would be happy to discuss how fair use is thriving. I respect that PK can choose not to have a voice drawing a connection between strong copyright and robust fair use, that they are in fact complimentary. I didn&#8217;t put out a press release criticizing the absence of a voice stating that in that event.</p>
<p>The Vice President has been specifically tasked by President Obama to focus on job creation and preservation, as I&#8217;m sure you know. His event fit that mission perfectly.</p>
<p>I will decline to comment on the idea of Professor Lessig as VP, as fun as that would be to address.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveAK</title>
		<link>http://blog.copyrightalliance.org/2009/12/obama-administration-serious-about-jobs-creators/#comment-43969</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveAK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, you&#039;re creating a straw man while ignoring the legitimate issues others have with this summit.  Imagine, for your point of view, Lawrence Lessig is VP and he chairs a summit on the subject of protecting digital technology from copyright law, inviting a variety of technology companies like Google &amp; ones that make peer to peer file-sharing products.  No record label / television or other &quot;pro-content&quot; executives are invited.  

You can bet the outcry would be heard to the ends of the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, you&#8217;re creating a straw man while ignoring the legitimate issues others have with this summit.  Imagine, for your point of view, Lawrence Lessig is VP and he chairs a summit on the subject of protecting digital technology from copyright law, inviting a variety of technology companies like Google &amp; ones that make peer to peer file-sharing products.  No record label / television or other &#8220;pro-content&#8221; executives are invited.  </p>
<p>You can bet the outcry would be heard to the ends of the earth.</p>
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